why you proselytize (explained)

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Herb Caplan
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why you proselytize (explained)

Post by Herb Caplan » Wed Jun 29, 2016 4:28 am

Our ideas are saving the world.
  • The Army thinks they are the only ones standing between freedom and tyranny
  • People who sit in pews praying to God think they are helping the world
  • Muslims think they are saving the world from Allah's wrath
  • People on a forum believe their participation has non-trivial effect on global opinion
  • Environmentalists think they are saving Gaia from death
  • Libertarians think the best world is one that does not restrict themselves and their fellow Neitzchian supermen
  • Communists think the best world is one that takes from the greedy capitalists
  • etc.
These are all actually just one mindset. They are in essence the phenomena of human groups. Every join-able (or leave-able) group has a superhero complex--it's part of the marketing scam. The superhero complex is tangential to the heart of the matter, which is a group of fellow humans.

Our groups are saving the world

The psychic motivation for these "ideas" are illusory rationalizations of early-hominid instincts to herd together--it's safer to live and hunt in your little village when other ones are trying to kill you for food. We have all transitioned (to varying degrees) from warring tribes to warring ideas. Civilization is still nascent for humanity, on an evolutionary scale of time. Maintaining these "ideas"/philosophies/deities/worldviews are the outcome of the projection of tribal instincts in the context of civilized society.

Our group is safe. They are [their group is] bad.

You are a monkey arguing with another monkey that you're better. Why? Because you deserve to live more than the other monkey. Why? Because you want to survive.

I must survive.

And here we get to the most essential instinct, which is as unitary as a single molecule. You have a self. There is a driver to this machine. There is a little man in the brain. Something must be there...right?

TL;DR You argue over ideas for the same reason you do over your tribe. That reason is you have a (primitive but practically unavoidable) concept of a self.
If you meet the Buddha (blessed be the arahant) on the road, kill him.

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Re: why you proselytize (explained)

Post by johnny dangerous » Wed Jun 29, 2016 5:11 am

What about proselytizing about proselytizing?

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Re: why you proselytize (explained)

Post by DNS » Wed Jun 29, 2016 2:05 pm

Herb Caplan wrote: You are a monkey arguing with another monkey that you're better. Why? Because you deserve to live more than the other monkey. Why? Because you want to survive.
I'd say we're more like a (relatively) hairless ape; the human ape.

Interesting in that the desire to survive is very strong in all animals, including humans. You can see this in the highest primates to the lowest insects as they scurry away to avoid pest control spray or people stepping on them. And then there is the desire to continue, the desire for pleasure, etc.

The Buddha's attendant, Ananda discussed this as the need to have desire; the desire to end all desires. Or another way to put it might be the conceit to end all conceit. Once finished, the desire is allayed. See:

SN 51.15

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Re: why you proselytize (explained)

Post by TexasBuddhist » Wed Jun 29, 2016 9:43 pm

What primitive humans and more modern ancestry believed about Religion down through the centuries.

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Re: why you proselytize (explained)

Post by lobster » Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:12 am

The original posters claims are reasonable enough. :group:

However the enlightened perspective is not driven by monkey minded behaviour. It has in essence awakened to motivation and is now free of such drives.

As the original poster is not free or awake, they must defend their position :oops: to themselves and perhaps others.

:broke: Meanwhile ... :buddha1: The Buddha is awake and well (potentially) :rofl:

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Re: why you proselytize (explained)

Post by John Reeves » Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:37 am

HerbCaplan wrote:
You argue over ideas for the same reason you do over your tribe. That reason is you have a (primitive but practically unavoidable) concept of a self.
Yes, this is undeniable. I would also add that the opposite is a method of non-communication. A good topic Herb, plenty to contemplate within.

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