DNS wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:52 pm
On the other hand, could a society of religious nones be amoral?
They are piggybacking on the Judeo-Christian (or Confucian or Buddhist in China) morals that already existed as the foundation of the societies they live in.
If you ask them, they will repeat morals that are exact or near identical to religious morals (no homicide, no stealing, etc.). What is the basis for these morals from an Atheist perspective?
• "It just makes sense." (begging the question / circular reasoning)
• "It's humanist." (ditto)
• "Morality is innate. Only a crazy person would kill other people [violate religious morals]." (contradiction)
• "It makes me feel bad/scared to [violate religious morals]." (what if I don't?)
• "Because you go to jail." / "Society works better if you don't kill or steal." (not a moral argument; also there could be a successful society that incentivizes needless homicide, e.g., ancient Mayans)
• "I don't need religion to tell me not to kill [violate religious morals]!" (begging the question)
This just shows how intellectually dishonest/lazy they are. If they really are outright rejecting traditional religion, they should do so in a consistent manner. They should justify themselves from first principles. What are the odds that of all the possible sets of morality rules that they happened to arrive at exactly the pre-existing religious ones?
wrong with, say, committing genocide if someone charismatic argues that it benefits collective society to get rid of faulty biological machines—like removing slow programs from your computer? I'd like to hear how Atheist platitudes could make a robust counter-argument to this; only religious arguments would work.
Without a religious rationale for moral principles, how did the Atheists come up with theirs? Christianity, for example, says homicide is bad because it sends you to hell. Eastern religions have kar/mma. Traditional religions are very clear about the basis and motivation for moral behavior. When Moses was asked why you don't murder, he didn't just say, "Well the people before us had rules against that so we'll do the same thing too I guess."
But nah, Atheists won't worry about this. The whole point of Atheism is to not think about stuff like this. You don't have to make difficult choices when a police state makes them for you.
If you meet the Buddha (blessed be the arahant) on the road, kill him.