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Sufism is so ingrained to Indian culture that it's even featured in Bollywood films:
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Your profound ignorance of history makes your opinion of value only to yourself.

http://historyofjihad.org/india.html
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Nicholas wrote: Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:35 pm Your profound ignorance of history makes your opinion of value only to yourself.

http://historyofjihad.org/india.html
The notion that Indians converted to Islam by conquest alone is incorrect. The Sufis who first came to India were peaceful and, unlike the Hindu authorities, didn't discriminate based on caste.
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Akbar the Great, the Muslim emporer, is well-loved in India to this day for his tolerance of all religions:
Akbar, as well as his mother and other members of his family, are believed to have been Sunni Hanafi Muslims.[131] His early days were spent in the backdrop of an atmosphere in which liberal sentiments were encouraged and religious narrow-mindedness was frowned upon.[132] From the 15th century, a number of rulers in various parts of the country adopted a more liberal policy of religious tolerance, attempting to foster communal harmony between Hindus and Muslims.[133] These sentiments were earlier encouraged by the teachings of popular saints like Guru Nanak, Kabir and Chaitanya,[132] the verses of the Persian poet Hafez which advocated human sympathy and a liberal outlook,[134] as well as the Timurid ethos of religious tolerance in the empire, persisted in the polity right from the times of Timur to Humayun, and influenced Akbar's policy of tolerance in matters of religion.[135] Further, his childhood tutors, who included two Irani Shias, were largely above sectarian prejudices, and made a significant contribution to Akbar's later inclination towards religious tolerance.[135]

Akbar sponsored religious debates between different Muslim groups (Sunni, Shia, Ismaili, and Sufis), Parsis, Hindus (Shaivite and Vaishnava), Sikhs, Jains, Jews, Jesuits and Materialists, but was partial to Sufism, he proclaimed that 'the wisdom of Vedanta is the wisdom of Sufism'.[136]
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Ethnic and religious conquest are sad things, but Muslims weren't solely responsible for it. The untouchables of India are largely descended from the native residents of India who were conquered and displaced by the Aryan invaders, thousands of years ago.

Does that make all Hindus violent extremists? No, it does not. But I understand why many untouchables converted to Islam when Sufi missionaries arrived.
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Ashoka and Akbar are widely regarded as the greatest emporers of India's history. Both of them killed many people as rulers, and both of them ended up being spiritually significant to the history of India. Shahjahan and Dara Shikoh later continued the same religious pluralism as Akbar.
As per Satish Chandra’s “A History of Medieval India”, Akbar’s early days were spent in the backdrop of an ambience in which liberal sentiments were encouraged and religious parochialism was frowned upon. Be it the verses of the Persian poet Hafez or the teachings of Chaitanya and Guru Nanak, be it the influence and tolerant outlook of his Shia tutors or his desire to be seen more as a king than a descendant of an invader, Akbar built on these personal experiences and knowledge to synthesize and develop a pan-Indian, pluralistic and tolerant outlook of the nation (for as close to modern-day India was his kingdom, in terms of form, as it has ever been since the days of Ashoka).

Akbar promoted tolerance of all faiths in his kingdom. He encouraged debates on theological and philosophical issues and even built an Ibādat Khāna (“House of Worship”) at his capital in Fatehpur Sikri in 1575 AD. In those times, there used to be a tax on non-Muslims called jizya, which Akbar repealed as well in 1568 AD. Not to forget, Akbar went on to found the syncretic religion Din-i-illahi in 1582 AD. The religion drew from Islam, Hinduism, Christianity, Jainism and Zoroastrianism. While some argue that it was more a political system to establish unity in plurality than a conventional religion and had not more than 20 adherents at any point in time, its establishment was a major move towards pluralism and tolerance by a Mughal king.

Akbar’s son Jahangir may have had the Sikh guru Arjan Dev executed to the great dismay and anger of the Sikhs in the country, but his grandson Shahjahan set a high standard of religious, social and linguistic pluralism. He even introduced Hindi as a court language in his reign, and openly advocated for tolerance of all religions. Shahjahan’s son Dara Shikoh followed in his father’s footsteps. He was inclined towards finding a common mystical language between Sanatana Dharma and Islam, and even completed the translation of fifty Upanishads from Sanskrit to Persian.

His famous work “Majma-ul-Bahrain” (The Confluence of the Two Seas) was devoted to a revelation of the mystical and pluralistic affinities between Vedantic and Sufi speculation.
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Returning violence with violence is not the answer. India's Muslims will be rewarded by God for the persecution they suffer at the hands of Hindu nationalists.

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Meher Baba instructed a disciple who was prone to anemia to eat a beefsteak everyday. India's Muslims should not be persecuted just for not worshipping cows.
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Apparently there is some beef allowed in India, primarily from water buffalo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle_slaughter_in_India

But for the most part, it is very limited supply. There are other sources of meat besides beef. In terms of anemia, there are plenty of vegetarian foods that provide more than enough protein and iron. I have been vegetarian (mostly vegan) for 36 years and my numbers have never been low on protein or iron. But as I noted, if they must have meat, there are other options (lamb, chicken, seafood).
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DNS wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:16 am Apparently there is some beef allowed in India, primarily from water buffalo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle_slaughter_in_India

But for the most part, it is very limited supply. There are other sources of meat besides beef. In terms of anemia, there are plenty of vegetarian foods that provide more than enough protein and iron. I have been vegetarian (mostly vegan) for 36 years and my numbers have never been low on protein or iron. But as I noted, if they must have meat, there are other options (lamb, chicken, seafood).
Is there anything about beef that makes it more nutritious than other meats?
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Presto Kensho wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:11 am Is there anything about beef that makes it more nutritious than other meats?
No, in fact it is very bad for you, nutritionally. It has the highest saturated fats of any meat and one of the highest of any food overall.
https://www.myfooddata.com/articles/foo ... ed-fat.php

It can cause heart disease, strokes, cancer and numerous other ailments. Other meats are bad too, but beef is probably the worst or one of the worst.
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Top 10 high fat, healthy foods:
https://www.myfooddata.com/articles/high-fat-foods.php

All on that list are vegetarian, except for the salmon.
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DNS wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:44 am
Presto Kensho wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:11 am Is there anything about beef that makes it more nutritious than other meats?
No, in fact it is very bad for you, nutritionally. It has the highest saturated fats of any meat and one of the highest of any food overall.
https://www.myfooddata.com/articles/foo ... ed-fat.php

It can cause heart disease, strokes, cancer and numerous other ailments. Other meats are bad too, but beef is probably the worst or one of the worst.
I am aware that beef has a high saturated fat content compared to other meats, but doesn't it have more iron or protein or some other necessary nutrient than other meats?

Beef appears to be one of the most nutrient-dense foods, despite its bad reputation:
5. Red Meat (Beef/Lamb)
While the media changes its mind about red meat on a seemingly weekly basis, here are the known facts about it:

Red meat is an excellent source of protein, vitamins, and minerals – especially vitamin B12, iron, and zinc (12).
A wide range of epidemiological (observational) research links higher red meat intake with a slightly increased risk of certain cancers (13).
Controlled trials are yet to find evidence for harm from red meat consumption (14).
Regarding the nutritional content of red meat, the following values show the nutrients provided by 100 grams of 80% lean beef (15):

Zinc: 41.6 % DV
Vitamin B12: 41.5% DV
Selenium: 29 % DV
Niacin: 23.1 % DV
Phosphorus: 17.9 % DV
Vitamin B6: 16.5 % DV
Choline: 14.7 % DV
Iron: 14.3 % DV
Riboflavin: 10.1 % DV
Of course, beef and lamb are also an excellent source of protein, and they offer around 25 grams per 100 g.

Key Point: Despite constant fear-mongering in the media, red meat is full of important nutrients.
https://www.nutritionadvance.com/most-n ... the-world/
Regardless of beef's health benefits or lack thereof, Muslims and other non-Hindus shouldn't be targeted in the streets for eating it. The oldest Hindu scriptures don't condemn beef-eating:
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Beef is very unhealthy for human consumption.

And it's even much more unhealthy for the cow or bull; they get killed.
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Presto Kensho wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:35 am
Regardless of beef's health benefits or lack thereof, Muslims and other non-Hindus shouldn't be targeted in the streets for eating it.
Your priority is curious. Conflicts over diet seems more important than Muslim conquest & control over any people they can subdue. Hindus have never had ambitions to conquer the world for their religion.
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DNS wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:19 pm Beef is very unhealthy for human consumption.

And it's even much more unhealthy for the cow or bull; they get killed.
The nutrient density of a food is separate from its saturated fat or cholesterol content. Nonetheless, non-Hindus shouldn't be targeted in the streets for wanting to eat beef.
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Nicholas wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:44 pm
Presto Kensho wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:35 am
Regardless of beef's health benefits or lack thereof, Muslims and other non-Hindus shouldn't be targeted in the streets for eating it.
Your priority is curious. Conflicts over diet seems more important than Muslim conquest & control over any people they can subdue. Hindus have never had ambitions to conquer the world for their religion.
In India, non-Hindus have almost routinely been targeted with religious violence for consuming beef. Are you aware of this?
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